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Tea party coverage on CNN

I know there are slightly mixed political views in this group. So what do you guys think about these demonstrations? I love to see things like this in the news. "This" meaning protests and civil disobediance for good solid reasons. And costumes. I'm starting to think this country is within 30 years or so of having a revolution or at least mass rebelion to the government.

Obama says here that he wants to make the tax code simpler. But now I'm wondering will simpler mean more or less?

Honestly, I fail to see the solid reason for the upset, and I've been looking. Most critics seem to be crying socialism, even when actual Socialist political parties denounce Obama and his efforts, because they are inherently capitalist. It makes me wonder how closely a lot of these critics have studied political sciences...or even just Obama's recovery plan. The man ain't no saint... And you guys know I try to remain objective and skeptical all the time... But I'm having trouble finding much fault in what Obama is doing. He's even explaining his position and plan clearly and plainly. Something we never got from the last administration.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/67820/the-obama-administration-obamas-full-speech-on-the-economy


The video doesn't really get going until the last twenty minutes. It's worth watching no mater what your opinion is.

<a href="http://www.hulu.com/embed/toAnddQcPEI00moYeQr1mg" target="_blank">http://www.hulu.com/embed/toAnddQcPEI00moYeQr1mg</a>


What I can't understand is...these people crying revolution... where were they when we lost Habeas Corpus, when the U.S. started torturing, when speech became free only in certain areas... Where were these pissed off people when the government diverted our tax money from growth and progress, to a war based on lies. Where were they when the norm became secret prisons, secret death squads, and extraordinary rendition... Where was the anger when our government was expanded more than it had been in decades...when it raised taxes for the majority, and lowered them for the rich minority... So much shit that brought us closer to a bankrupt nation, not just financially but morally too...and now that someone's in the White House who seems to be genuinely trying to fix the sabotage of the past decade...now you're upset? Do they not realize how badly Bush fucked shit up and what it cost us? Humbly speaking, I just don't get it. I study the current politics closely, from all sources I can get my hands on... and I see cause to be pleased...for once, in a long time. Cautious, always...but pleased.

TAX CUTS!

TAX CUTS!

From what I've learned, Obama's stimulus plan is the largest tax cut in the history of the U.S. 

TAX CUTS!

From what I've learned, Obama's stimulus plan is the largest tax cut in the history of the U.S. 

BUT THEY WONT BE WHEN I START MAKING MY MILLIONS.

Sorry nick but anything that is starting to happen good has nothing to do with obama we wont see anything he puts into plan really help us out if any for another 8 years

Sorry nick but anything that is starting to happen good has nothing to do with obama we wont see anything he puts into plan really help us out if any for another 8 years

What is the basis for this argument?  I've heard it many times, but I've never seen any actual data backing it up.

Sorry nick but anything that is starting to happen good has nothing to do with obama we wont see anything he puts into plan really help us out if any for another 8 years

that's just silly. no offense. but there's absolutely no reality behind that.that's like saying Clinton started the Iraq war, bush was just president when it happened. 

Oh please don't bring the things that happened the last 8 years as defence for what is and will continue to happen. And yes there were protests, and everyone and their dog had something to say about George Bush. The protests were about Obama's spending (and where the money wil come from to cover it).

I get the outrage at the spending. I just think it's kinda late. Should have been bitching about it when we had a choice. Bush was the biggest liberal spender than any president in decades. Obama's not spending money we don't have simply because he wants to. It could have been any other shmuck too...they'd still have to choose the lesser evil when it comes to fixing the economy.

The choices boil down to this. Do nothing, and our country more than likely tanks completely. Go the republican way, deregulation and tax cuts across the board...which we've been doing for the last couple decades...also what led us into this mess...and chances are the economy would eventually bounce back, but tens of millions would be homeless and suffering, our infrastructure would still be falling apart, and we would continue to risk falling back into another recession.
Pump money back into the economy, since no one else is, invest in the right areas, and people will not suffer as bad. They'll have jobs. They'll make stuff. The economy will bounce back quickly. We'll have massive debt in the short term, but if the policies are crafted correctly, they'll pay for them selves, and we can keep our taxes the lowest they've ever been. It's the smartest choice...doesn't make it less scary...but when you understand the alternatives, it's nothing to complain about.

Lets get it straight, the shit makes since...but the republican party, which is built on ideologies, isn't flexible. Regardless of whether or not their ideologies actually work in a global economy, they still want to do it their way. Of course, the nation has spoken and well over 50% tell them to go fuck their blind and stubborn selves. As well they should. So, now, being defeated by their own party's inability to adapt, their lashing out like children and out-right lying. Your taxes are goin' down. Shit is gettin' spent as smart as our system can allow. You won't be in a bread line, you'll even keep your home, and guns too. And the only people who could possibly complain are the 5% richest people in America who will see their taxes go up about 4%. Oh my fuck! four percent! Those poor babies! How ever will they live with just tens of millions a year?? lol


I don't mean to get all smart ass on ya... I'm actually in a light hearted mood. So even though we may disagree, doesn't mean I'm mad or think differently of you. And I hope you're not mad at me. Just wanted to get that out there. I'm happy to have these kinds of stimulating and passionate conversations... And I can do it without taking it personal.

It's just hard to take these tea baggers seriously...especially when so much horrible shit went down during Bush's eight years, and tens of thousands protested all the time...and no one heard them because of Bush's policies on "free speech." And now that we have an administration that is willing to confront criticism openly, and rationally, allowing these kinds of protests on TV... citizens crying about socialism when they don't even know what it means...comparing this to the Boston tea party... I mean seriously, it seems so ignorant. The boston tea part was about taxation without representation. Is that what anyone thinks is happening here?

And they don't realize how lucky they are just to be seen on the news, and have a president that actually addresses them personally... a president that doesn't call them terrorists simply because they disagree with him.... They'd rather be pissed off than admit how good things are proceeding under someone else's rules. ...and their willing to believe, without question, the lies that fuel their anger. Thankfully, I don't have to take these people too seriously. The truth about Obama's policies are public record, and any literate person willing to look at them line by line (rather than listen to talk radio and Fox News for their info) will see there really isn't a good reason to be pissed. Shits runnin' as smooth as it can. Smoother than I ever thought I'd see. And it makes me proud, personally.

I agree shit wasn't right before and the people have been needing to speak up for quite some time about many issues, but I guess better late than never. Obama is a man of change, he's done a lot of things (executive orders and whatnot) in this small time of office so far. And these quick actions I think are what scareing people the most.

On a bit of a side note Obama goes to Mexico and talks about border security and drug trafficing problems. Also on his agenda: immigration and the sending of US$ and guns to Mexico. Yes!! Please! Let's take care of this problem from the south! (I'll love you forever )

i go through cycles with the politics thing.   sometimes i have lots of opinions, but as of right now, i am in a place where i simply don't fucking care.  that may change next month though.

HAHAHA! That's fantastic.

i think the point being made is that the money spent to help the banks and help stablize the system werent put in place by Obama, it was Bush. The money he got before he left office is the money that was spent to help the ecconomy. But since it can take time for the money to have effect, by the time bush left and obama got in office, those effects started to be felt. Obamas big spending bill hasnt even gotten the money yet, it has nothing to do with him, outside of the fact that confidence in the president can, though many ecconomist arent sure if ti has, make an effect on the market more then the money Bush assigned to go into the system.

I really believe the Bush republicans need to stop acting like morons and the Obama liberals need to realize that Bush cant be the fuckin wipping boy for excusing every half assed action taken by the new president as "atleast its not Bush."

I am sick of hearing people try and say "well look what bush did" as the auto responce to excusing bloated spending plans and social programs as "well bush did..." who gives a shit. I care about what this guy is doing, and it seems that is a lot of spending.

Ron Paul wouldnt have done this.
You said there is only the choice of do nothing, spend like crazy or tax cuts. I dont agree, there is a lot of other ways to deal with the issue. Allow some banks to bankrupt, restructuring or liquidating bad companies and selling them off to smaller banks. Handing some money to banks that have done well so they can buy up that debt and allow healthy banks to grow and bad banks to die.
You could cut back on spending, as well as changing the system to a flat spending tax to stop over taxing of the middle class and it would still help the poor since they dont tax "essentials" like bread and milk.

If we stopped spending billions on shit we dont need and slimmed the system back down, then maybe we could get ahold of the budget and help out country back out of this hole.
Spending when we have no money is like taking the credit card to guy buy a car when you cant afford the bills you have.