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My personal opinion is their both douche bags. Which is disappointing, I was totally getting into Obama for a little while. His passion and straight talk was a bit mesmerizing. But from what I understand he also voted for the FISA Amendment Act which further destroyed any sense of privacy in this country by making it legal for DHS and NSA to search your home and tap your phones with out a warrant...or even a reason, really. So that destroyed my faith in his ability to always do the right thing when it matters.

Still...he's not an ancient, pandering white guy who loves oil, war, religion, sameness, and Bush.... So he's got that going for him.

I'm pretty sure I'm still not going to vote though, just don't see the point since I learned exactly how the electoral college works.

What's y'alls opinion on the two candidates? 

You're Title question is very Colbert-esque.

Anyways, yes he voted for the FISA bill, no it doesn't give the NSA power to search without a warrent. The FISA bill refers only to phonecalls coming ang going internationally. If you're calling *insert questionable country here* five times a week, they might listen in. I don't agree with it, but I'm still an Obama man.

There will never be a perfect politician. The name of their game says they all have to, at some points, compromise, which is what Obama did here. Nor will any politician ever believe exactly as I do (after all, as a rule, presidents must be christian. Go on, say I'm wrong on this...)


But here. I'll leave it to the words of a man named Allen. He's a civil liberties lawyer who works with the ACLU and he makes these really good videos. I only agree with him about 70% of the time, but he makes these good, thought provoking vids. This one corolates to what Nick is talking about...

" <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/3-AlLlfb0iw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/3-AlLlfb0iw</a>"

That was an awesome video. Very good points.

But as far as FISA only being used for international communication, with the language being fairly broad and allowing these agencies to do what they want to with out any oversight or authorization...are you going to trust that they're only listening to international communication? I see no reason to, when it was and still is illegal for the gov to have it's own secret room in a AT&T building monitoring all communication. Email, phone, text, instant messengers even.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/21/att_nsa/

The messed up part about it is, we know they're listening and watching everything. There is plenty of evidence, but apparently not enough for a Judge to see any case, as the ACLU found out. The problem is, because these illegal programs are secret and have to do with "protecting the country", no judge is willing to be the guy that puts the country in danger by forcing the government agencies to declassify their programs in order prove that they're illegal.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nPzCLP1F5PY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nPzCLP1F5PY</a>

[*4.Favoring ideas that treat all people with equal justice regardless of educational, financial, sexual or racial status.]

One thing I keep noticing on a regular basis is the "media bias". McCain will be quick to exploit how the media loves Obama but won't give him much speech time. Yet, I've been noticing the exact opposite. Case in point, throughout the entire time Obama was overseas doing his world tour (of which McCain challenged him to do and then critizised him for doing when he was doing so well at it), everyone was focused on the one talking point, "Will Obamas overseas trip show he has the world leadership abilities or will he make a terrible gaffe?" EVERYONE was waiting for a gaffe (political term for a huge flub, saying or doing something horribly embarrasing or enraging), and yet for the first time in a decade, we say a politican welcomed by foreign countries. We saw elloquent speeches given with inspiration and a message that wishes to bridge the wounds created by the current bully tatics of the Bush Administration. But if he were to make a SINGLE error, everyone from FOX news to CNN, to MSNBC, to ABC, etc etc etc would pounce. A total bloodbath would ensue, completely questioning the fundamentals of this black man running for top dog.
Yet McCain blunders quite frequently. This man, who claims to know so much more about Iraq than his counterpart could not differentiate sunnies from shiates. He referred, in front of a load of media, to an "Iraq/Pakistan border", in which Joe Lieberman had to correct him. Mind you, Iran, the size of both nations put together, rests in between. There are thousands (if not more) of miles in between the two countries. Constantly he falls asleep during meetings and yes, even interviews. Katie Couric of CBS actually editted her interview with McCain, erasing gaffes left and right. A 26 minute interview was condenced down to just over 6 minutes. The entire interview can be found online, but few sites actually highlight it. He is very superstitious. He has one of the worst tempers in the senate, and even Arizona, His HOME STATE, is considered a "battleground state" as far as votes come November.

Now Obama is not perfect, by any means. But here we have a candidate who focuses his speeches on his policies. McCain cannot seem to give a speech that says anything other than mainly emphasize how horrible Obama is. Yet what are McCains policies? The war? Eh, we're gonna be there awhile. The economy? Eh, it'll get better. Just wait. Healthcare? What problem, it's fine. Shut up. Fuel? Let's drill offshore for oil. Mind you, here is ONE area he speaks definatively. BUT, in 2002, he said drilling offshore was the worst thing this nation could do to the world. Now, well, since gas prices are four dollars a gallon, it's ok. (Offshore drilling will increase greenhouse emissions by over 40%, create water pollution nearly 250% of current levels, and will kill hundreds of thousands of marine wildlife. It is estimated that at least three species of whales alone will have over a 60% chance of wildlife extinction within five-fifteen years if we begin). But its ok, rather than inconvience us, right?

McCain has scared me for many many years, long before I ever heard of Obama.  Plus... have you seen the guy move? I swear to god every time I see him on TV, I look for the person in the background manning the remote control. Say, what IS Bush doing whenever McCain is talking?

But joke aside.

"I don't care what I have to do. Be for him or against him. I just want him to win." -George W. Bush






So let me ask you this, WHY do you think "both of them are douche bags"?

It seems for years, people were afraid to admit to being liberals. The word had been so defiled by the reubs, everytime someone with liberal views spoke to defend a point it went something along the lines of "Now I'm not a dem or liberal, but..."

"Liberal"-liberal (comparative more liberal, superlative most liberal)

From Latin word LIBER, meaning free

Positive
       liberal
Comparative
       more liberal
Superlative
       most liberal
 

1.Generous in quantity. - "Add a liberal sprinkling of salt."
2.A political description, following liberalism. Based on optimistic assumptions.- "At a liberal estimate, growth could exceed 5% next year."
3.Favoring social freedom; permissive.- "Her parents had liberal ideas about child-rearing."
*4.Favoring ideas that treat all people with equal justice regardless of educational, financial, sexual or racial status. *
(US) Opposing conservative positions, particularly those of social conservatives.
(UK) Opposing both conservative and socialist positions, particularly those of economic protectionists and authoritarians.
(US) Related to Classical Liberalism, as in the political philosophy of American Conservatives who emphasize liberty, and also Libertarians.


Man, this is one evil word, huh?





And as far as Obama being "pompus", "arrogant", or "ellitist". What is wrong with a president who is intelligent, confident, and well spoken? Have we fallen so far from grace we expect our president to be a blumbering moron from New Jersey trying to pretend to be a hick from central Texas?

These attacks remind me of junior high when the bully beat up the smart kid...

i tend to agree with y'all for the most part, but do not be fooled by obama.  he may look shiny and new, and he will probably talk real nice and help smooth out our international relations a little but he is just as much sameness as mccain.  he is a politician just like all the rest of them.  we will still be mired in the middle of iraq, there will still be an oil crunch (and its gonna get worse before it gets better), FISA will still be in place.  he may not expand the powers of the government, but he certainly won't shrink them.  government never abdicate power willingly.

the powers that be will put us in a holding power for a few years until we forget all about the cia torturing people, holding u.s. citizens without warrant, tapping phones and searching houses with a mockery of oversight, etc etc etc.  then in a decade or so more, once we've all forgotten all about how outraged we were, they will push to expand the powers again.

at the end of the day, i would actually prefer mccain.  you know why?  i suspect he will push for more powers sooner, and that just pushes us ever so closer to the ground up reform that we so dearly need.

at the end of the day, i would actually prefer mccain.  you know why?  i suspect he will push for more powers sooner, and that just pushes us ever so closer to the ground up reform that we so dearly need.

I have considered this, and often.
But I keep such things to my self, generally. People think I sound crazy enough as it is.

I still think it's a possibility we won't have elections. Technically, we haven't since 1996. But I think the pretense may be thrown out altogether.  The right kind of laws to allow such a thing "legally" have been in place since 2006, after all.

Even if the only difference is that one is a good public speaker with a smooth surface and the other isn't, that's enough for me. We haven't had even THAT is nearly a decade. Besides, like him or not, the last time we had a shady pres. who was a smooth talker, this country's economy and market was the best it had been in over thirty years.

I don't believe for a second Obama will fix everything. FAR FAR from it. But a band aid is better than cum in the eye.



My views are not crowd pleasers. I will work my ass off for the good of the people, working for the corrupt healthcare systems and soulless corporations who worship nothing but money just to help a few people, even if it amounts to more than an ass wipe in the end.

People with power are in power because they desire power. The desire to help never reaches the top ranks anymore. This is true for the entire world, but there are far better places than this one.

at this point, you have two people that are just going to lie about different things. One is going to raise taxes and keep spitting out speeches about rainbows and fuckin unicorns.

I dont like Obama because i listen to him talk. He talks about "i want to do this" but rarely do i hear a HOW in there.

I dont like McCain because he will push the religious rights views and end up screwing up this country more then it was.

Both sides are so full of shit its amazing people can even debate their "diffrences" with a strait face. They are both lying sacks of shit, one is just old and white, the other is young and black. Its funny that here people were talking about how "if obama makes any mistake they jump him." Seriously, thats fuckin bullshit. If any other person had 2 pastors in their church screaming Damn America, it would be over for them. Yet he comes out acting like, "i didnt know" and people just move on. ( other then they insanly right winged folks at fox news. Even they let it go after a while though.) He acts like he is already president and no one seems to care. He has a total void of policies and in place talks to me like im to fuckin stupid to understand. "oh, i will put in health care." How the fuck are you going to pay for that? Answer.....rainbow and fucking unicorns.
Were going to bring Wall Street back to Main street. No offense, but as someone trying to start my own business, keep your fucking nose out of Wall Street. When the hell did it become a crime to make money in this country. He was bitching that the "super rich" are making more in an hour then some make in a year. Is that their fault? Somehow i should be taxed more because i DIDNT sit on my ass and flunk out of school, get a minimum wage job at McDonalds and piss my life away?
I dont like socialist, i dont like all the social programs he seems to sopport. I dont like him.

And fuck McCain. I will probably end up voting for him, if i bother to vote at all. I mean fuck. I dont worry as much about him because the issues i have with him are the same i have with Bush. Religious political pressure that makes them do stupid fucking things that strip away our rights. Mind you, i sopport FISA, but only if we have some kind of regulatory body to watch over it. Because bottom line, we want protection, we dont want another 9/11, and they have to do something. Its easy to say "i dont like it". Hell, its not just easy, it seems to be pretty trendy. But most people i ask cant give me a better alternative. Monitoring outside traffic coming in is not actually a violation of the constitution. They didnt search anything, nor seize anything. Techinclly they cant even use the tapes for anything other then for warrents. ( though the techincal is often over looked, and in place they grab them up and throw them into Gauntanamo)
And before i hear it from someone else, there is no actual constitutionally protected right to privacy. We have the 4th amendment that says no unlawful search and seize, but it doesnt give you blanket protection for all things you deem private.

Both canadites seem to think that all of this crap will just work itself out and we should just trust that they will make good on their word when they get in. Im so sick of the bullshit talk and promises from people that dont seem to know shit. Bottom line, i hope they fuckin tie, both get pres and watch this country burn to the ground. Then i will cast my vote to elect Ron mother fuckin Paul as president of Texas.

If we keep going for "which pres doesnt suck as hard" we will have a country turned to ash. Just fucking sickening.

[CHIEF ADVISOR]

Ok. For starters (and I know, this is a nit-pick), it wasn't two pastors screaming 'God Damn America', it was one. The other made fun of Hillary for being pissed that "a black man is stealing her show". Which, if you watch it, the sermon was pretty damn funny. Jessica was a Hillary supporter and she was laughing. The whole thing was a satirical bit. Mind you, whether or not a preacher should be acting like a comedian at the pulpit is debatable, especially when it is favoring polical views. Seperation of Church and State, after all. And as for Wright, yeah, he's a dumbass. Had to keep on talking, but it all goes back to 1st amendment. Freedom of speech. He can say what he wants, its his views, NOT those of every single person sitting in the pulpits. I've had plenty of mentors who were profoundly inspiational in my development who had views I did not agree with. One of them is FLAMING gay, didn't turn me gay. I even stayed over night at  this mans house a few times, as a minor. Nothing happened.  I've known racist people who had intellectual insight to OTHER topics I fed off. Didn't turn me racist, in fact, the opposite.

And you know what, at this point, right now in history, with all the bully tactics and "we motherfucking rule yo bitch asses and do as we please" attitude america has... fuck america.
That's worse than asking a diety to Damn it, don't you think?
You're accociated with me for many years, does that mean you, too, now are linked to my critical statement I just made? Is all of Ramith now guilty?

Even that moron CHIEF ADVISOR of McCains who said we (as a nation) have become a bunch of whiners and need to get over ourselves with this supposed economy crisis... yeah, fuck that guy. But McCain didn't say it. Even though this guy is to McCain as Karl Rowe is/was to Bush, the words were not McCains. HE can not be condemned for them. I condemn him for the shit that has come out of HIS mouth.

Obamas plans have outlines. Read them. McCains plans have "Obama is bad". Read them.

And on to the tax issue:

Yes. If you make more than $250,000 a year profit, you should be taxed more (at least as long as an income tax exists). I FINISHED school. I HAVE a degree. I NEVER MADE AN F. Not once. Not even a D. Hell, two C's between kindergaten and the end of college. I never worked at McDonalds. I make under $15 dollars an hour because my profession isn't mass profitable. That amounts to $30,000 a year. But I pay more taxes than some super rich assholes who use a tax bracket sytems loopholes set up by mister oilman president.   If you create a corporate business where your income comes from the work of the McDonalds burger flippers, if your manison was built off the labor of the american people using the american capitalist market, yeah. Feed some of that money back into america so you can make some more of your little green gods you worship so well.

On the other hand, the welfare bitches piss me off even worse. If you're gonna get the damn check, you should be required to contribute SOMEHOW. Freeriders are fucking everyone. Even if you "can't work", there has to be SOMETHING POSSITIVE you can do to contribute to society.


Healthcare:

I pay over $500 a month in healthcare for my family. For security. Peace of mind. To cover my ass financially during dark hours. Yet, when I have to take one of them to the ER of the Hospital I WORK at, where my insurance COMES FROM, I get bills in the mail saying this radiologist or that pathologist, who works for the same hospital, doesn't cover that insurance, so I now owe thousands of extra dollars.
Our healthcare system doesn't work. At all. It is the third WORST in the WORLD. Think about that for a seond.
Glorious America has the third worst healthcare sytem in the world. Now yes, this only includes countries that HAVE healthcare systems, but we're supposed to the "The Greatest nation on Earth", aren't we? How do we fail SO bad then??? How is it thousands of people DIE every day because people are waiting for life-saving procedures to be approved by some guy in a cubicle who is measuring the COST VALUES? FUCK MONEY! These are human lives. Spain, France, Norway, Canada, Fucking Cuba for gods sake, all these countries healthcare systems rank phenominally better than ours. They aren't perfect. Nothing is. Every single one has problems and complications. Some have resrtictions we "wouldn't stand for". But damn it. Look what we do tolerate. WHY??? Get The HMO's out! Nixon set them up. We ousted his ass, why not his fucked up, money grubbing healthcare. Why, after forty miserably bleak years of poor management, is this still the operational standard. Remember the  last time you or someone you knew was in the hospital? How small was their room? Were they crammed in there with another patient with a completely different ailment, maybe even an infectious one at that? If no, well, you or they were really lucky. I see it a hundred times a day. Literally. Yet, go down to St. Lukes hospital in the Med. Center of Houston. They have different towers for different fields of medicine. Color coded. I think the green tower is pedi, I think orange (or maybe its yellow) is cardiac. But Go to the Purple tower (I remember the color orientation of this one very well)... oh wait, you can't. You don't have richitis. This tower caters to the worlds super rich. Each room is the size of the presidential suite at the Hilton. Some rooms are half a floor. Groups of nurses dedicated to patient richy rich for his congestion. Seriously, come the fuck on...
I don't care how it gets paid for. It's got to change. Even if I, on my meger earnings, have to contribute a bit extra out of my paycheck to recieve better healthcare without a flood of bills that in theory shouldn't exhist anyways, i'll do it.

OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS THE WORLDS BIGGEST JOKE. Problem is, only the HMOs are laughing.


I like Ron Paul. He has crazy ideas, some of which could work. But with no IRS, where does the money for anything come from? Letting the corporations take control is just as bad as letting dictactors take control. They are one and the same. One holds a military, the other holds the purse strings. The people are strangled by either just as easyily.


But for those of you who keep saying "Fuck McCain", or "Fuck Obama", and then add "but I'll probably vote for him", that's dumb. You preach extremely small government with limited power. I could get behind that, were it tweaked a little better. Personally I think one day I WILL vote for this kind candidate when their platform has been more clearly defined. Currently these independants are called Libertarians. they are Constitutionalists. Ron Pauls. Their candidate for the 2008 elections (for some reason) isn't Ron Paul, but Bob Barr. So, if "Fuck Obama, and fuck McCain", don't sell out and vote for one of them. Vote FOR YOUR CANDIDATE. In this case, it might be this guy Barr.

I can't stand people voting for a party. Seriously that is just dumb, and epitomizes what is currently wrong with the electorial system today (that and the electorial college). Don't "vote Dem" or "vote repub". Vote for your candidate. the PERSON you believe in most.  Remember, the policitians and the parties don't want things to change government standard operation procedure -wise. It keeps them in power how it currently works. It's us, the people, going against the grain, is the only way things will ever reform.

In any other country when the government does something shitty, the people protest. Take to the streets. Riot even.
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ok... do I have any friends left?

if I wasn't at work right now, I'd post a BUNCH of naked ginger pics...

One, i never said i had an issue with what the pastor said. What i said was his "i didnt know" bullshit flew. Not many people could get away with that so to act like he is the constant victim is just wrong.
"But if he were to make a SINGLE error, everyone from FOX news to CNN, to MSNBC, to ABC, etc etc etc would pounce." Yeah, just like they would if any prez canidate does. Kind of like forgetting Iran exists.

Second, i would vote McCain because between him and Obama, i like him more. Though i doubt i will vote at all since i dont like either person.
Im sorry that you pay so much in healthcare, but i dont make much either. I dont know why it should be my job to make sure you can afford your healthcare. I believe that its a persons job to take care of themselves. If you cant, you find a way.
And if you want a nice example of the "free" health care system in action, head on down to Bentov( not sure how to spell that hospital). Tell them you broke your arm, and wait 20 hours for help. If you dont have to pay for it, low class, poor desprate druggies will go down there all the time, trying to score, and flood the system. You cant look to micro countries and their healthcare and think it will work for us. I have a few friends in canada, and if they need a script or they feel like they have the flu, they drive across the border. Cause you will normally be better or die before you can get in. And btw, why do you care if the "super richy rich" have a building of their own. They pay for it, they pay for the privlage to go there. If they didnt pay for it, its not like they would just open the flood gates and let people with HMO's in there. Canada has the "super rich" centers too. Everyone does, because people with money arent going to wait in line with people without. Its the way of the WORLD, not just us.

And if i make $250k a year in profits, good for me. What the fuck did anyone else do to earn a fucking dime of my money? If i build it up, i should reap the rewards. Not some lazy mother fucker on welfare who doesnt want to work for a living. I earned it, i should spend it any fuckin way i want. I am so sick of this bleeding heart, everyone needs a fucking hug and a cookie attitude. I dont think the taxes should be any higher unless the government is willing to give me some of that money back when my business falls on hard times. But wait, that would be government getting involved with free trade. Cant have that. You want a piece of the money i earned, come work for me.
Such fucking horse shit.

Keep the fucking government out of my business, leave me alone to smoke pot, bang anything i fucking feel like it, hire hookers and whatever else i want to do. All they need to be concerned with is making sure we have legal transactions between states and the base reading of the constitution is upheld. Thats it, i dont need a president telling me he is going to help the poor man or spread freedom in other countries. i dont even think we should be feeding the world, we have enough homeless starving people right here in the good old US of A.
People just need to get over this sense of entitlement. You want it, you go out and take it.

But wtf do i know.

all of your points are very interesting about both obama and mc cain. But someof the facts are a little wrong! comeon clintons admin didnt have the best economy in 30 years and to that point the economy was already on an up swing from the year prior with george Sr.. and un fourtantely for us we didnt see the impact of the clinton admin till the end of his second term. come on nafta ruined the economy/ It took business out of america and in to mexico. everyone hits the president about economy but in essence he really cant do anything. unfourtanly it will take raising taxes to really get this country in shape. But is anyone ready to fork over more money to a government that is already to big.  in this country the states were suppose to have more power.  As far as Mc cain and obama i perfer Mc Cain he may be old but he is someone respected from both parties. Hes not a man that sticks with his party if there wrong. Obama  vote party on the issues at hand even when there are better ways to do things. he talks good woot! thats all! obama To me will be the next jimmy carter he talks the talk but wont walk the walk!  terrorist wont stop what there doing cause obama wants to sit down and have some tea and talk about things! Oh yea and lets pull everyone out of Iraq and tell them when we are leaving! Thats sure to solve everthing. Most of the troops i talk to are proud to serve in iraq and want to go back, because even if there is some oil in part of the reason we are there the bigger picture is there was people in need of our help! Something i dont think the dems notice anymore.  Mc cain is right we need to stay you cant put a day on when to move out nothing will be accomplished and all the deaths that have been will be for nothing and that frankly gets me spummed!  obama is not our answer, he may be a smooth talker and hes got some game but in the end hes just a player he will say and do any thing to get elected! Hes been flip flopping on all issues pandering to the situation at hand! devin you brought up what Mc cains issues are but do you know what obamas are?  Cause i watch cnn and fox news everyday to get  both sides of the race and the only one i see actually outright saying what he wants to do is Mc cain. yea obama will give you a few inserts like saying he doesnt want to drill on the outer shelf but everything is about change in his speechs. He boasts like he is the prodical son "this is what america has been waiting for" thats a quote from his speech. Mc cains not perfect, but at least he will come out and tell ya what he stands for.   Either way it will take time for our economy to rebound way past the first term of who ever ends up being pres.  So if anyone wants more money taken out of there checks by all means vote Obama because by his view we should pay for all the over spending and more.  i look forward to talking to yall in person about this cause there is so much i wanna say but cant actually bring it to mind right now.

Dravin, with your last post, I really agree with you a shit load. We need to get the fuck out of the world's affairs. After WW1, we did that. Nearly closed our borders completly, and ignored anything not connected to us. Too much in fact. As the Third Reich rose, we covered our eyes and said "I'm not listening..." (Warcraft 2 reference) Whoops. After WW2 we were so paranoid about the commies we started going overboard in the occupation of other nations. whoops, i mean, ahem, stratigic placement of US bases on foreign soil. Good god has that backfired. Yeah, we beat the russians by outspending them, but CAUSED the middle east crisis we now face. WE put fanatical gorilla dictators in power (Hussein, Bin Laden), gave them guns, and told them all to play nice. When the reds were gone and they told us "thank you, now get out." and we said "go fuck your goat, we're putting in more bases"... yeah that turned out well.

blah. You're right. We're causing more problems overseas. And it's not an easy fix. We can't simply walk away from it. But READ the strategies. We're not saying, "look, we're gonna up and take out in a month. Peace out." The strategies simply create goals. We HOPE to occomplish a secure government in this region with a well trained army by this time so that they can transition the powerbase. As opposed to. We're here. We're gonna stay. Deal with it.
Whats wrong with goals? I've got them. You've got them. Why can't the military?
You're so concerned about the government spending your money. 60 TRILLION DOLLARS and COUNTING.  Do you realize we have sold over 60% of the US dollar to China? China legally owns the US if they call in the debt tomorrow.  FUCK!!!!

But back to what I was saying. Yeah. Government needs to get more involved in us, than others. At the same time, back the fuck off us as well.
If Reagans 'War on Drugs' were to stop tomorrow, within a single term, whoever is president, we would balance the budget and be able to afford completely universal healthcare to every single citizen.

But you keep talking about this $250,000+ your gonna make. You're not going to do it alone (unless your selling some really good shit to some high rollers, and it better be primo sticky green). You're gonna have employees. Investors, share holders. All of which feeds back into the free market. And lets be honest. Government bailouts happen all the time. Look at the airline industry. Those cocksuckers have a private line to call directly to bailout central. The banks. Fannie Mae and Freddie mac right now. You honestly think they're not gonna get a little boost? I won't even start on the oil industry. They own more our government than china does.
"What the fuck did anybody else do to earn a fucking dime of my money?" with profits that high, in reality, most likely a good deal of people did quite a bit.

A PhD professor working for a major university for 15 years + doesn't make $250,000 a year. Astronauts don't make 250k.  This idea that only degenerates fall below this line is a bit offensive.

The healthcare is a double standard. The government set it up so everything MUST go through the HMO's, and then stops right there, letting them with their stranglehold on the system, fuck us the people. If they're so intent in being invoved (fuck the FDA by the way), then I demand they pay for it. $30 a pop for a pill that does nothing but cure nausea. Shit on my face while you're at it.

Spanky, read my previous posts again. I know exactly what Obama stands for. I watch and read on him daily. I don't always agree with him (never completely). But as I have also stated multiple times, I have been following McCain for years. He is an angry, biased man who litteraly scares me. I am very informed on his policies. And you wanna talk about 'flip-flopping', this man changes his words constantly.
But then, we all change views as time goes by. The natural evolution of thought and mindset based off current climate.
As far as the demonizing of talking to less than friendly countries, This is just more Bush propagana feeding in. It's rediculous.
 You know why the cold war never cost a single life (other than the secret wars of the CIA and KGB), why a single nuke that was aimed at the other country never fired?
Diplomacy, aka, "talking over tea". It didn't stop the cold war, but it sure stopped nuclear winter. The russians were our worst threat imaginable at that time. So we had diplomats and ambassadors constantly in communication with their diplomats and ambassadors. Private lines were in the presidents office directly to the Kremlin so if there was a misunderstanding, or something was boiling over, it could be talked out and no one got nuked. Mind you, this was Reagan too (read about the cuban missile crisis in the sixties when Kennedy was Pres. Talking over tea saved millions of lives.).
This blanket title of 'terrorist' is the worst propaganda since McCarthy's blanket title of 'Reds' and "Communists'. Now we attach it to ANYONE  who doesn't like us. Yes, terrorists are very real, and very fanatical. They're a new threat the world over (not just the poor ol' US) is having to learn to combat. How do you fight an enemy not afraid to die? It's scary shit. But Iran is not a terrorist. They're a nation. Like it or not, a legit one. A legit one, mind you, we helped establish. In 1954 the CIA overthrew the government cause we didn't like it. Oh shit. They established and formed into something worse.  Whoops. Now, this ackmanhesagotalongdamnnameicantpronounce fuck head of a president is crazy, hands down. But he is a president. Saying he's a 'terrorist' is no more than name calling at this point. We don't like him. We have every reason not to like him. But a terrorist is someone whose sole intent is to cause governmental instability through means of fear. Yeah Iran wants to spook us into leaving them alone, but they also want to become a prosperous nation. Its not all about 'Death to the infedels' to every single Iranian. They live and work and strive  to prosper just as us.

There is a reason the US is severly disliked worldwide, by peaceful nations and not so friendly nations alike. "They hate us for our freedom" That is pure horseshit. I agree with Dravin here. We need to leave most these guys alone and stop fucking around.
Now once again, there is the possibility of nukes aimed at us, and we refuse to talk to them about issues? How do you justify this? In hostage situations, SWAT doesn't just barge in and start firing or yell through the door "We won't listen to your demands. We won't talk to you. Come out or die." Ok, occasionally we do, but the hostages always die in these cases. That's what we have negotiators for. To keep everyone calm. Good god, what is wrong with talking? Because I can tell you exactly what is wrong with getting nuked.

Clinton was no saint (though I'm pretty sure saints would get stoned for getting blow jobs too), but for the first time in OVER THIRTY YEARS (more actually) the US budget was counting a surplus. That means extra money. eight years later, we are about to go beyond tillions in deficeit... I call that significant.

Soooo....... um. Fuck this shit. I'm movin'! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you...You're cool...
I'm learning Dutch, damnit! What's a native of the Netherlands called, potheads, right?
Lets go! Whose comin'?

Wij zal smook wieden en vrouwenschending straatmadelief!

Excellent mood lightener Nick. You know, Jessica and I have actually discussed moving to the Netherlands....




But to say what I came here to say:

I knew when I began expressing my political views, they would be somewhat unpopular. We do, after all live in a majority republican state. I knew a time would come, and quickly, when it would be prudent of me to stop talking. That time has come. I have expressed my views and wish no anamostiy to form, especially over something such as politics. Afterall, fuck em' all, right?

So thank you for taking the time to read what I have written, and I hope no one was too terribly offended. (The "fuck america" part was rather pushing it, i do realize). Politcal views are seldom changed in debates such as these. You've all made good points which I have taken into consideration. I hope I have done the same. It is by now no secret that I am extremely unhappy with the state of the union and desperately hope for reformation. I can only hope that Obama does actually come through with at least some of his promises, whether he becomes president or not, though there is the very real possibility that he will fail to follow through as so many have done before him. Time will only tell. I hope maybe somethings I have said may give you a moment to ponder. I can only encourage you to follow up for yourself on the candidate of your choosing. Do not rely on the media to tell you what you need to know. I fear watching opposing news channels is not enough. Journalisic ingrity to report the news rather that push a party is fleeting, and fast. Find the speeches and the reports and strategies for yourself and make the decisions you will.


I cannot wait till we are all once again sitting in front of a campfire singing offkey.

I end my part in this thread with my favorite Obama quote ever:
 
   "Yes, as a young man, I did smoke marijuana on a few occasions. I even inhaled. As I recall, that was the point."

lol, i wasnt offened by your view. Just expressing my own.

Me and missa have talked about Canada. Nice enough place. And since you cant really speak out against the government, you dont have to hear the bullshit on the news all the time.

Either way, it all ends in 2012.